The Human Design Reflector accounts for approximately 1.4% of the population, making them a rare type. All of their energy centers are open, meaning they have no defined centers, only gates. This unique configuration allows them to be wise observers, reflecting on their surroundings. Reflectors absorb and amplify the energy around them, serving as indicators of their community’s health. They mirror the environment in which they find themselves and the people they interact with, acting as empathetic reflections of others. To thrive, Reflectors need to be in the right place with the right community. If they feel uncomfortable or dissatisfied with their surroundings, it often indicates that they are in the wrong environment or with the wrong people. When they find themselves in a supportive and suitable space, they can fulfill their purpose.
Reflector Strategy: Navigating a 28-Day Lunar Cycle. The Moon’s orbit around the Earth takes approximately 28 days. During this time, the Moon passes through all 64 gates of the Human Design chart, completing a lunar cycle. This cycle serves as the decision-making strategy for Reflectors.
The Moon’s movement through its various phases follows a repeating pattern each month. You can chart your personal cycle to identify which days are likely to be productive and which may feel less productive. This pattern is unique and consistent for you. You can start tracking your 28-day cycle on any day of the month. The key is to recognize a reliable pattern. As a Reflector, it is important to wait through at least one complete lunar cycle to gain a clear understanding of your true feelings before making significant life changes.
Reflectors need to discuss important matters with others before making decisions. Their decision-making process lasts 28 days and begins when they receive a significant offer or invitation from someone else. They cannot initiate decisions themselves. Every day is different for Human Design Reflectors, as the lunar phases influence them. Their sense of self is highly mutable, as the Moon completes a cycle through each of the 64 Gates every 28 days. As the Moon moves through the chart of a Reflector, it brings consistent changes to their energy and definition. This means that Reflectors experience a predictable 28-day cycle with anticipated changes based on the Moon’s position. Due to these fluctuating energies, Reflectors can identify energetic and decisive days during their cycle. Because they are so changeable and reliant on the Moon’s movement, the Reflectors’ strategy is to wait 28 days before making decisions. This approach often conflicts with societal norms. Additionally, Reflectors can be influenced by the Moon’s shifting energy and their surrounding environment. Sometimes, they may need to wait for several 28-day cycles before reaching a decision.
* It is not always necessary to wait through a 28-day cycle. When a Reflector is deeply acquainted with their unique internal process, they can discern the appropriateness of some offers before the close of their personal lunar cycle and can act on an offer sooner.
The emotional theme for Reflectors is disappointment, stemming from the pressure to make quick decisions and their experiences in the world. They evaluate whether we are fulfilling our larger mission as stewards of one another and the planet. When you are around a Reflector, they truly understand you. They can sense and amplify the energies around them, which helps them become attuned to their environment—especially once they learn discernment and can distinguish themselves from others. Reflectors need to develop the ability to make choices that are right for them. To gain clarity, they need trustworthy friends and consistency in all aspects of their lives. When making important decisions, Reflectors benefit from being with trusted friends with whom they can discuss their concerns, as they lack internal authority.
The Human Design Reflector faces the unique challenge of being the canary in the coal mine, reflecting the health or illness of the people around them. They need to remember that they are not the energy they experience; instead, they can act as a screen rather than a sponge. Although all nine of their centers are open, Reflectors are not necessarily more vulnerable to conditioning than other types. Their aura is both resistant and sampling, protecting them and allowing them to assess their environment without absorbing it too deeply. Once they develop discernment, their auras help them avoid becoming overly attached to anything they encounter through their openness and vulnerability. Reflectors can learn to live in the moment, truly appreciating and feeling the subtle shifts and changes around them.
The Reflector is an instrument created for the greater good. They strive for perfection in humanity and find joy when those around them are content. Their capacity for compassion is immense, and their highest purpose is to heal the world.
Reflectors can rise above identification with the energies around them, transmute those energies, and reflect a higher consciousness. This is their highest calling as energetic healers. Their job or career doesn’t define their role; rather, it lies in their presence and their capacity to hold space for others. However, this task can be challenging due to the Reflector’s strong empathic nature. It becomes possible when the Reflector steps back and witnesses what is out of balance.
Reflectors and Sleep. Reflectors need to go to bed and lie down before they are tired, and sleep alone, if possible. Reflectors require a lot of alone time to discharge their energy. Reflectors, Projectors, and Manifestors need to be alone to discharge energy that is not theirs.
The Reflector Aura is an invisible energy field that surrounds all living beings, extending approximately six feet in every direction. This aura communicates our essence to others and influences how we connect with them. Known as the “sampling” or “Teflon” aura, the Reflector aura allows individuals to perceive the world around them, helping them identify what feels out of place or different. Unlike the Projector aura, the Reflector aura is less vulnerable.
Reflectors require a great deal of love and supportive friendships. Due to their highly sensitive nature and open centers, they are particularly attuned to shifts and pain in the world. Because they lack sustainable energy, Reflectors are not well-suited for a traditional workday schedule. However, they can amplify humanity’s archetypes and express remarkable energy for short periods. Their open nature allows them to access more energy than others, but they cannot sustain it over time. Given their limited energy reserves, strenuous physical exercise or labor is not ideal for Reflectors. It’s essential for them to choose activities that feel good, and they should be mindful of when it’s time to stop. If they ignore these cues, they risk burning out, especially between the ages of 35 and 45.
Quantum Purpose of the Reflector (per Karen Curry Parker): to reflect the human condition and the human potential.
Reflector Keywords and Phrases: – Barometers – Amplify and reflect energy – Intuitive, observant, insightful, and empathetic – Influenced by the Moon’s movements – Counselors and guides – Impressionable yet detached – Benign and unconditional – Wise, quiet, non-interfering, and private – Need solitude and may prefer to be loners – Can adapt and be everything to everyone – Malleable, sensitive, moody, vulnerable, and open – Chameleonic in nature – Sociable, yet shy and passive – Soft and gentle – Communicative and interested in others – Observers; their energy is not sustainable – Introverted – Compassionate and skilled problem-solvers – Can possess a powerful presence, amplifying the energy around them.
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Best reflector description I’ve read so far! Thanks a lot.
That’s just everything I need to read at this stage!
What a beautiful and accurate article on Reflectors! This article really helps explain some of the nuances I live with daily as a Reflector. Now I know so much more about how I indeed do reflect the environment and other people. It’s a constant challenge to balance it all when you are basically a mirror for everyone and everything. It can get exhausting sometimes. People’s reaction or response to my presence is definitely a mix because the bigger the Ego the worse it is for me, and same goes with a fearful person. People think it is me doing this, when in fact I am barely aware of it (or I was until now). It is a sight to behold when the mirror shows others themselves. It’s frightening for them, and because of this they attack me — it never fails. If. on the other hand. a person who is not Ego-driven does not do this (or at least not right away), then we can can be friends and enjoy the company, until they do see their reflection. The longer a person is around me the more intense their experience. I either have people who love me or they really dislike me. I’ve written poems about this “mirror” effect over the years and how it is so prevalent in my everyday life. It used to make me super sad, this reflection, but now I know and understand it more. It really isn’t something I Do, it is just how I was made, but others can’t see that because they are too busy trying to get away from their own reflection.
Thank you kindly for sharing your thoughts on Reflectors, this has really changed my understanding of myself and why other people react to me the way that they do. Thank you again!
Thank you for this explanation! This truly helps deepen my understanding of myself and why my energy changes so much in different environments.
I think we need a Facebook group or other platform for all of us reflectors to talk about our life experiences and how we view the world! The more I’ve listened to and read about information regarding being a reflector, the more it makes me want to talk with others who are in the same viewpoint as me and how we go about our day to day lives.
Hi, Kallie. Thank you so much for writing in.
A Reflector, as you know, is very rare. The way you take in and perceive what’s around you – and that includes everything – is very potent and penetrating. Reflectors can hold and carry more energy than the other human design types. Their presence is felt. They give off powerful energy.
The most important thing for the Reflector is that they really need to take their time before committing to something that is going to impact their lives significantly. By following what feels good, they will make correct life choices.
Reflectors can do anything, provided the energy is there from the people around them. Being with your trusted people is very important to you, because you need to bask in positive, uplifting, life-affirming energy, and you also need to have many conversations in order to arrive at your truth.
As a Reflector, you have the ability to inspire others with your presence and energy. When you are living true to who you are, you reflect what is possible for others to experience. Yes, you are a mirror and a barometer, but I also believe that Reflectors have the ability to transcend identification with the energies around them, transmute them, and reflect back a higher consciousness.
Peace,
Gloria
Hi, Diane. Thank you for your enthusiasm! This is a comment page, and most of the time the people that post comments do not return. If you want to connect with a Reflector-only community, there are a number of them on Facebook. I suggest you go there to see what they have to offer.
Peace,
Gloria
Hi, Brightly. Thank you so much for your intelligent and penetrating comments.
My bad for not responding sooner to your brilliance.
It has not been sufficiently stated that Reflectors have the ability to transmute the energy they take in and bring it to a higher level. In this way, they reflect back to their community what is possible, and can move them out and through where they are stuck in their assumptions and beliefs. Reflectors are energetic healers and can demonstrate that it is possible to shift current states of consciousness. This is taking mirroring to a new level. It’s not just about holding the mirror so we can see the truth, but also holding the mirror that reflects back what’s possible. Human beings have the ability to rebuild civilization so that it serves the interests of justice, but we need someone to show us what that can look like.
Peace,
Gloria
Hi, Diane. Again, this is a comment page, and most of the time the people that post comments do not return. If you want to connect with a Reflector-only community, there are a number of them on Facebook. I suggest you go there to see what they have to offer.
Peace,
Gloria
Yes, best one I’ve found so far (Reflector)
Thank you so much for the article. It is very helpful. I do have a question that was not really addressed. I am a 4/6 Reflector and wonder how I might best manage my focus and direction in my work day. I seem to bounce from one idea to another so quickly without ever having finished the first. Sometime I can be so focused and directed I am UNSTOPPABLE, and then another day I feel like my head is in the clouds and I can’t seem to muster up any focus. Hours pass and nothing was accomplished. Looking for ways to work with my natural essence and master my days with progress and forward motion. I tend to tune inward, to anchor into spirit or external energies, not necessarily people, as I have a home based office. thanks so much
Hi, Donalee. Thanks for writing.
As the Moon travels through your chart, over the course of 28 days it passes through each of the 64 gates. This pattern repeats itself every month, and every day in the month is different for you. You can chart your unique pattern so that you can know ahead of time which days you will be on and productive, and which days you will not be as externally productive. Your pattern will repeat. It is consistent, and something you can actually rely on. Take out your calendar and make note of what you experience each day at all levels – physical, emotional, mental, spiritual. Also include in your charting the degree to which you feel inspired and creative, or not. Do this for at least 4 months. You do not need to wait until the 1st of the month to start. Start where you are. The pattern will reveal itself.
Charting your pattern of days on and days off will be truly helpful to you. You will not only be able to anticipate the energy field you will be inside of, but if you take some time to really feel into the pattern, once you are aware of it, you can gain control over it by working with it appropriately. You don’t need to be pulled out to sea or batted back to shore by changing tides. You do not need to be surprised by the changes in your day to day. You can, by knowing what’s coming, exert creative control. If you know that you are approaching a period when your focus will downshift and become seemingly more diffuse, use that time to become aware of what you are truly feeling and needing. It is important that you are honest here, and give yourself what you need. When you are nourished emotionally and physically, your creativity will flow better. You can still be productive, but like all things, productive energy expresses on a spectrum from passive and inward to outward and aggressive. Productivity is the result of creativity that was born from the inner worlds of inspiration, imagination, and thought. Each point on the spectrum offers its own insights. The thing is to be patient with all the phases of your natural creative flow. It is not in alignment with your Reflector Design to have the outward appearance of a Generator each day.
Something to be aware of — your unstoppable days may be taking too much of your energy. You don’t have a defined Sacral, so the tendency is to not know when enough is enough and to keep pushing past your need for rest. When this happens, you won’t be as available to dream of new approaches or be as open to inspiration. Fatigue interferes with the flow of creative energy. See if you can identify those days when you actually need rest because you’ve overdone it. If you are truly tired, then resting is your first order of business. When you get your natural flow of energy back, you will be able to work with your lunar pattern most effectively.
Peace,
Gloria
Thank you for this. So intriguing to be able to feel so close to this message. The relation to my life is completely on point. Wow.
I am so happy to have read all of this during my morning. This is helping me so much to understand what I was told when I was little. Its quite nice to realize I am NOT alone with being a reflector. Thank you, Thank you beautiful humans. Would love to speak more to you. Are any of you part of a Facebook group? I’d love to involve myself with others alike.
Sky
You are invited to join my Facebook community page, Living From Your Essence Community. The Living From Your Essence Community is designed to give you feedback and reflection on all your questions, on your experiences, your Human Design and astrology charts, and to assist you with your own journey. Don’t be shy — all questions and concerns are welcome.
Peace,
Gloria
This is fascinating stuff! I just found out I’m a reflector! I’m going into the field of psychotherapy; sounds like this can help! I have often felt I don’t belong, even when I have friends I don’t always feel “seen” or understood. It feels like I’m managing ppl and conversations but not connecting as intimately as I’d hope. My environment as a child and now has been depressive and judgmental. It never felt like me, but it’s very hard to not internalize and reflect that as my own stuff. I would love to learn more about how to enforce my own aura and not take in other ppl’s crap w/o co-opting it for myself. To distinguish myself from others, and be ok with whoever I choose to be has always been a goal. I’ve never known who that person could be though once given permission.
Hi, Losaro. Thanks for your comment. Here are some suggestions for working with your situation. These suggestions are excerpted from Inside the Body of God, 13 Strategies for Thriving in the New World by Karen Curry Parker
Release That Which No Longer Serves You
When your hands are full, you can’t open them to receive something more unless you let something go. We are conditioned to make do with “less than” and to compromise. Everything you see, hear, smell, touch, and taste in your outer world is simply a metaphorical representation of where you are with your Alchemy and consciousness. Your outer world is always talking to you.
If we consciously settle for “less than,” then “less than” will show up everywhere in our lives including our bank accounts, our businesses, and our relationships. Now is the time to let go of old habits, patterns, thoughts, actions, relationships, jobs, and situations that are no longer in alignment with what you intend to create.
Let Go of Your Past
The past is over. If you allow the stories and excuses from your past to keep you from courageously creating what you want, you are no different than an elephant that is conditioned by the feeling of having a chain around his leg, yet is free to roam. Do not define yourself by what you have survived. Surviving is less than thriving. Intend to thrive regardless of what has come in your past. Where you put your focus right now is the template for what is to come.
Stay Out of Doubt
Evolution is happening whether we believe it or not. Think about this. What would people have said in the year 1900 about what is taking place on the planet right now?
Change is happening. More people are waking up and remembering their Divine Magnificence. You can doubt change and evolution. The truth is that it’s going to happen with or without your consciousness. It is Law. We create by thinking and feeling, with a difference between choosing to be a conscious part of the process or choosing to create by default.
Use Fear as Leverage
It’s easy to get caught in the sticky web of fear, which can create paralysis and feelings of being “stuck.” Physiologically, we see that the experience of fear can shut down thinking and create a survival reaction.
We mistakenly believe that we are experiencing fear in response to change and respond with conditioned paralysis. Most of us are not really experiencing fear. We are instead experiencing resistance. Real fear protects us. Real fear is your intuition telling you not to do something because it might be life-threatening. For example, your fear might tell you to not go into a dark alley at night. This is intuitive and reasonable.
When you are choosing to not make a change because you are afraid, you are not really experiencing fear. You are experiencing resistance or a split in your energy. This kind of “fear” is simply your inner, directional compass letting you know that something in the application of your alchemical process is out of alignment.
If you are feeling resistance it is crucial that you ask yourself these two very important questions:
1. Am I really intending what I truly want or am I intending what I think I should want, what others want me to want, or what I think is possible for me?
2. Do I have beliefs that are keeping me from allowing myself to know that I can have exactly what I intend? (For example, consider if you believe that you must work hard to make money or that for you to get what you want, you might hurt the people you love.)
When you courageously go for what you want with total honesty, complete authenticity, no holds barred, no limits, and you believe without a doubt that you can have it, then your resistance magically melts away, and you move forward with enthusiasm and great speed.
Tend to Your Vibration
Your mind is an abundant garden. A garden needs good light, soil, and water to reach its full potential. Tend to the garden of your mind. Give yourself Light and nourishment to help you maximize the potentials of your dreams. Educate yourself. Surround yourself with people who support your creative process. Celebrate your successes. Nurture yourself and allow yourself to receive. Delight in your magnificence. Align yourself with your Divinity. The more you practice, the easier it gets. And the easier it gets, the easier it gets.
Remember Who You Are and Why You Are Here
You are here for a reason. You intended to be here at this time to co-create the future of this world. You are an extremely powerful, fully supported Light Being. You have an important role to play in the evolution of this planet. In this incarnation, you chose a specific energetic blueprint, your Human Design, to help you fulfill your life’s mission and purpose. It is crucial that you understand yourself and who you are so that you can continue to create in alignment with the magnificence of who you intended yourself to be.
Ask for What You Really Want
You WILL get what you ask, but only if it is what you really want. If you are not courageously asking for exactly what you want, your vibration and intentions won’t line up behind it, and it won’t happen. So many of us right now are walking around frustrated because this “manifesting” thing doesn’t seem to be working. If what you are intending isn’t really what you are wanting—if your seeming desire is a compromise, an obligation, or even if it isn’t big enough— you will struggle to get enough energy rolling to create the momentum for creation. Part of the experience here on the planet right now is not so much about creating the things we desire as much as it is about creating a vibration of joy and delight!
Be Honest and Authentic
You cannot create from a dishonest intention. Your underlying belief and motive for your dishonesty will somehow manifest, usually as chaos. You are either going to get caught in your dishonesty because you are afraid of being caught and you focus on it, or you will get caught because your underlying desire is to be authentic.
If your actions and words are not authentic, and if you are not fully intending what you are saying, there will be no manifestation. Your ultimate responsibility is to live true to yourself and your desires, with the understanding that when you live true to yourself, you live in alignment with God and your motivations will be to harm no others.
You cannot be responsible for other people’s reactions to your truth. You cannot deny who you are or your purpose because of your fear that you may hurt others. You will ultimately hurt them more with your dishonesty. You cannot control the feelings or reactions of others, although you can control your experience with others.
You are perfectly created to assume a role in the evolution of the planet. When you step away from the authentic calling of your soul, you walk away from your potential points of contact that will allow you to create destinies with integrity.
Let Go of the Ropes
For lifetimes we have been conditioned to be prepared, just in case. In the evolving times to come, the cataclysmic nature of potential events may be so unexpected that there will be no preparing. You can always use intention and your vibrational alignment to know how to navigate through unpredictable situations. Let go and trust that when you are in alignment with your Life Purpose and your Divine Blueprint, you will be fully supported.
There is not a single moment when you do not have control over your experience even though you may not be able to change actual events. There are some events that have been scripted into your journey since before you got here. You do have control over how you will experience all circumstances.
If you choose to focus on what you do like and what is good about a situation (as difficult as it may be), you will ultimately have a deeply different experience than if you are resisting and pushing against situations. When the heat is high, and your experience seems too challenging and difficult, stop, and redirect your focus on what you want to be experiencing, what you desire to feel in the situation. Hold your attention and emotions in that place to the best of your ability.
That on which you focus grows. If you want to change your experience, you must change your focus. Look at the good in your situation and keep your focus on your desired outcome. It’s up to you.
Peace,
Gloria
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Wow!! This is outstanding!! Thank you so much!
Ever since discovering I’m a 1/3 reflector, I’ve felt like I’ve found a huge missing piece to the puzzle of who I am. My life & journey makes a lot more sense. I can empathize with many of the other shares posted here in feeling like an outsider or not seen or heard, even amongst close friends. I’ve also noticed so much how my environment & who I’m with has such a huge impact on who I show up as. I definitely become who I’m with for the most part. Finding, creating, & defining who I am is a really fun mission I’m grateful to be exploring now!
A few things I’d like to share as “reflections” for me are becoming aware of when something doesn’t feel good; choosing to remove myself from that conversation, arrangement, or situation. Others auras & energies play such a role within my own space that I have to have fierce strong courageous boundaries to keep my well-being at its highest. I’ve also discovered that people aren’t always open or ready to receive their own reflection. I ask lots of questions: Why do you feel this? Where did this come from? Is that really your truth? It feels natural to get to the bottom core of who people are by moving through stories & asking questions to weed through conditioning. I have a lot of really conscious aware people in my sphere & it’s still challenging for them. So sometimes I feel myself holding back, which is me not honoring my truth or living/being in my highest. For me this is when I feel deepest my theme of disappointment. Seeing & feeling the clear highest version of my loved ones & seeing them trudge through the challenge of rising above & breaking through their stories & conditioning. Balancing this with looking at myself to question & ensure I’m not projecting my stuff into them.
I’m learning & practicing how to use the 28 day cycle. Asking for help, support & feedback during these times of bigger decision making. Using the moon chart is becoming a daily tool for me that is super helpful to understand who’ll “I’ll be” for the day.
Thanks for letting me share & for sharing yourselves. It’s great to hear I’m not alone. Sending us all lots of love & good vibes on our missions to be the best, clearest, brightest versions of ourselves to shine back to the world!!
Hi ! This is beautifully amazing. I am completely new to all of this but am a reflector and like others mentioned i feel as though this was exactly what i needed to hear to feel comforted in why i have felt the way i have felt since a child.
Can anyone please expand on how to read the 28 day cycle. I am quite lost and can really use some guidance or potential resources to assist me! Thanks in advance!!
Hi, Jo. Thank you for your comment.
The Moon’s orbit around the Earth is 28 days. Over the course of one orbit (cycle) the Moon will have moved through all 64 gates of your Human Design chart. This is known as one lunar cycle, and it is the Reflector strategy for making decisions.
This pattern of the movement of the Moon through all of your gates repeats itself every month. You can chart your unique pattern so that you know ahead of time which days you will be on and productive, and which days you will not be as externally productive. Your pattern is unique and consistent for you. You can begin charting your 28 day cycle on ANY day. The point is for you to see that there is a pattern that you can rely on. As a Reflector, you will need to wait through at least one lunar cycle to know how you truly feel before you make a decision on something that will you will need to integrate into your life such that your current routine is changed.
If you really want to understand how the lunar cycle influences your moods and perspective, create a journal for your lunar cycles. Each section is for a 28-day period, and you can write down how you experienced each one of those 28 days at the end of each day. You will need to do this for more than one cycle to identify your personal pattern.
Peace,
Gloria
Dear Gloria,
Thank you so much for this, so helpful and wonderful article! It has cleared many doubts and answered to many questions I made to myself (for years!) which concerned me terribly about my feelings, reactions, and comfort preferences. My daughters told me about Human Design not so long ago, and because of them, I am here.
I have one question. How can I manage the moon cycles? I have never thought about considering the moon for any other purpose than inspiration! Thanks again for your blessed help.
Ketty
Hi, Ketty. Thank you very much for commenting on my page.
Regarding the Reflector Moon cycles – please see my above comments to Donalee and Jo.
You can learn to manage or work with your unique lunar cycles by being aware of where the Moon is each day in your Human Design chart. It is extremely helpful to have a Human Design ephemeris to see where the Moon is on any day. You can write down how you feel on each day – physically, emotionally, and so on. You can purchase an ephemeris here: https://humandesignsystem.com/shop/ephemerides.php. Note that all the planets will be listed. Even if you don’t have an ephemeris, you can still keep track on a regular calendar. You just need to see the pattern over the course of several months.
I am happy to send you your lunar chart for several months so that you can see what gate or gates the Moon is transiting, and if any channels are created as a result. Please send your request to sagedeva@gmail.com
Blessings,
Gloria
I love every single word of this! I am a Reflector with a 6/2 profile. It’s so interesting to me that once I discovered at a deeper level who I am meant to be in the world, I stopped thinking there was something wrong with me. Most would tell me I am a weirdo, and I never fit in really anywhere, yet have had some great impact in the world. Still, it never felt like I was reaching anyone. If I’m honest, I felt more like Kali-Ma slaying demons, and now I kind of understand why. I want everyone to see what’s possible, and not everyone wants to get into my little red wagon!
I was wondering if any fellow Reflectors were aware of their rarity from early on?
I find that in all my personality labels I always wanted to be different. Intp and 4/5 enneagram confirmed my need and strive to be different from the mainstream. I would even take the mbti test over and over altering my answers ever so slightly to my “current mood” to find that I continued to get the same results.
Anyone else who had known or strived to be different ?
Hi! Have you looked into your astrological birth chart? I have found the same, especially having an Aquarius moon, as Aquarius is known to be unique and a little bit odd…would be interesting to see what type of placements you have?
I’ve found that after learning about astrology and being a Reflector, being unique or a lil bit different is a bit of a running theme. Have you mostly agreed with the tests you’ve done and the results?